[Server] LinuxForks (Lots of trains)

[yw05]

So wait i'm unbanned then because I knew the lesson never go to trap city ever again because it's really a trap city?

The exact opposite: you were banned because you repeatedly went to TC depite being told not to do so.

[W3RQ01]

I think that Trap City is just a waste of time and resources, also the enforcement of the "restricted area" falls when the owner logs out. You can't keep private things that appear on the map render or in the wiki with sometimes photos. I went sometimes to Trap city, i don't like it but the areas name is ignored quite easily.

[Blockhead]

I'm not opposed to the idea of the "keep out flag" for areas in principle but what if you're on a train? Some kind of border control would help though. I'm not sure the train services to Trap City should just be cancelled, but a custom solution would have to do complex logic to identify whether someone could enter the area and decide to kick them off the train at that stop (thereafter if they try to walk, the "keep out flag" will still do its job). And an area flag doesn't really need more areas in general, people just need to flag existing areas they should already have. Trap City certainly has plenty of areas.

[yw05]

I think that Trap City is just a waste of time and resources,

I do not see how that justifies entering areas that are out of bounds.

also the enforcement of the "restricted area" falls when the owner logs out.

This is partly what the "keep out flag" suggested by 56independent should do.

You can't keep private things that appear on the map render or in the wiki with sometimes photos. I went sometimes to Trap city, i don't like it but the areas name is ignored quite easily.

No. Think about real life.

I'm not opposed to the idea of the "keep out flag" for areas in principle but what if you're on a train? Some kind of border control would help though. I'm not sure the train services to Trap City should just be cancelled, but a custom solution would have to do complex logic to identify whether someone could enter the area and decide to kick them off the train at that stop (thereafter if they try to walk, the "keep out flag" will still do its job).

An alternative I could think of would be to add a station at the border that requires passengers to get off and cross the border manually. You do not have to interrupt the tracks for that, as players walking on the tracks would be kept out as usual, and the fact that the trains do not operate past the border would involve less border-related logic.

That said, the downside with this alternative solution is that transit within TC would be made impossible if this was desired. This could be solved by adding priorities to the flag though.

And an area flag doesn't really need more areas in general, people just need to flag existing areas they should already have. Trap City certainly has plenty of areas.

I am somewhat concerned in terms of area flags (potentially, as the current areas are not necessarily designed to cover specific features) increasing the number of areas, but I suppose the only way to find out is by actually implementing and using the feature.

[Maverick2797]

I have implemented automatic de-passenger-ing at Arcadius Station (the last station before TC on the S20) and the train continues through after an extended delay with a warning being added to the train's text. Ye be warned!

[rubenwardy]

If you don't want people in your area, maybe you should play single player or on a private server

[MineBrother]

I'm Still Waiting To Get Unbanned For Learning Not To Go To Trap City Anymore Unless I Have Permission

[yw05]

I have implemented automatic de-passenger-ing at Arcadius Station (the last station before TC on the S20) and the train continues through after an extended delay with a warning being added to the train's text. Ye be warned!

As an addition, perhaps we need to add a flag to Advtrains to prevent players from entering a train. That would belong to the Advtrains mailing list though, although the "keep out" flag is the main thing to work on here.

If you don't want people in your area, maybe you should play single player or on a private server

Not exactly. From my understanding, the main reason they do not appreciate visitors is that there are two people involved in the project, and the security at the construction sites is a bit loose to make it easier to exchange items; so they want to keep things closed until they finish it.

[Blockhead]

If you don't want people in your area, maybe you should play single player or on a private server

Unfortunately the person(s) who needs to hear this most doesn't regularly visit the forums as far as I know, despite also having a private Minetest server. Some people just want it both ways.

[MineBrother]

Can you at least unban me since i learned going to restriced areas like trap city is not good at all with no permission?
please don't be mean to me! can i at least look at the rules again but this time with sharp response?

[W3RQ01]

Can you at least unban me since i learned going to restriced areas like trap city is not good at all with no permission?
please don't me mean to me! can i at least look at the rules again but this time with sharp response?

When the ban will end they will unban you, stop asking.

[MineBrother]

I Expect The Banning Length Is 1 Year

[MrBee]

Excuse me but what is "Restricted Areas"?

[yw05]

I Expect The Banning Length Is 1 Year

Not if you keep whining.

Excuse me but what is "Restricted Areas"?

I have only seen people use the term "private area", but basically this refers to areas that only certain players are allowed access to.

The main reason (from what I see) that MineBrother's situation stirred up a lot of discussion here is that it involves a large construction site (which is often considered private on the server, as I explained in an earlier post) without much warning that the area is out of bounds, and players are only told to not enter the area via the chat.

[MineBrother]

Can I At Least Go To The Origin Court To Prove That I'm Innocent?

[yw05]

Can I At Least Go To The Origin Court To Prove That I'm Innocent?

Yes, but not all moderators are online at the moment, and some are busy.

[MrBee]

Mostly seems like admins just have to add barriers & teleports for these areas. Nothing stops player from intruding into area so basically banning players for reasons like this seems to be kinda weird.
In my opinion this "malicious intruder" really wants to play here, be merciful if you are judging for reasons like "not appreciating visitors"

[56independent_actual]

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[MrBee]

Please, record the court proceeding and publish it so we can see the Justice system of LF. Maybe Edward Snowden will get involved!

Lmao jury trial in minetest. Do we have a lawyer for MineBrother?

[56independent_actual]

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[W3RQ01]

I support MineBrother i think because i think that saying "restricted area" in minetest is useless and nonsensical. For the rest i am not fully aware of what happened so i'm going to just follow the case.

[56independent_actual]

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[yw05]

Mostly seems like admins just have to add barriers & teleports for these areas. Nothing stops player from intruding into area so basically banning players for reasons like this seems to be kinda weird.

56independent and Blockhead made an interesting point on keeping intruders out by making some additions to the areas mod. There is always the possibility of pulling the Ethernet cable (or something similar), but the effect is mostly limited, and I think the engine could provide an API to avoid this.

I have already pointed out how it is not particularly realistic to add (and, more importantly, update) these barriers, so that is out of the question, especially for large areas:

Building a wall around the area is quite unrealistic

//set mese:mese

Fixed it (/j)!

If that was the only to address:

[...] that does not count in the time you need to change the wall if you expand the city; [...]

In other words, the admin would then spend time WE-ing constructions site walls instead of working on other things, and that does not take into consideration that this is a survival server.

Also, terrain differences mean that you need to take quite some care to make the wall not look ugly, which would likely involve more work than building the wall manually (with a digtron) in the first place.

In my opinion this "malicious intruder" really wants to play here, be merciful if you are judging for reasons like "not appreciating visitors"

This is not the first incident of such type. Determining the punishment based on how vocal someone is is obviously not fair

If you "really want to play here", you need to follow the rules, and if you mean "really want to play" by repeatedly entering an area that is out of bounds despite having been warned already as I described earlier, I don't see how a ban is not justifiable; and add that to the usual chat spamming that moderators here do not appreciate, to say the least.

Yes, but not all moderators are online at the moment, and some are busy.

Please, record the court proceeding and publish it so we can see the Justice system of LF. Maybe Edward Snowden will get involved!

There is always the server log.

Please, record the court proceeding and publish it so we can see the Justice system of LF. Maybe Edward Snowden will get involved!

Lmao jury trial in minetest. Do we have a lawyer for MineBrother?

The thing is that moderators sometimes have opinions that vary quite wildly, so the result can depend on who is online at the moment (and you cannot expect every moderator to be online at the same time).

in any case, I guess this can be closed now that MineBrother has not yet shown up.

I support MineBrother i think because i think that saying "restricted area" in minetest is useless and nonsensical.

Although then the question becomes:

• What are the criteria for a rule that is "useless and nonsensical"?
• If a player is allowed to disobey a particular rule with the justification that the rule is "useless and nonsensical", what are rules for? (and, more importantly, how then should a certain level or order be kept if this is desired?)

If you disapprove a rule, that is a different matter to discuss.

[MineBrother]

Before You Take Me To Court, Please Remove This 2 Year Ban Please!
This Is What My Ban Looks Like:

[Festus1965]

OK, got it,
he got three warnings life and was teleported back, and just went there again ... = clear !